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Post Mortem: Why Do Women Have All The Advantages In Dating?

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As my long-term readers know, I get a lot of letters from readers for my weekly Q&A “Ask Dr. NerdLove” both here and over at Kotaku. But, occasionally, I’ll get a letter from a reader that requires a deeper and more thorough dive than the usual request for advice. Sometimes the answer is more nuanced than normal or requires cutting through a Gordian knot of related issues. These are the Post-Mortems, where we dissect a letter and dig through the remains in order to get to the heart of the issue.

Post-mortems are rarely pretty. Many times, we’re having to liberally apply the Chair Leg of Truth to a lifetime of beliefs. But, while the love may be tough, at the end we’re going to know exactly what went wrong and how we can do better next time. So scrub up and snap on the gloves; it’s time to get all up in them guts.

Doctor NerdLove,

I need your advice to get me out of a very negative mindset. 

So, I’m going to break in here right at the start: this is a good thing to recognize in yourself. Realizing that you’re holding on to negative, self-limiting beliefs is an important step in overcoming them. The problem, however, is that sometimes you don’t realize that you’re focusing on the wrong ones. But hey, that’s why I’m here.

I am a 27 year old man. Physically attractive, tall and fit, non smoker, social drinker, intelligent (masters qualified), undertaking a career that corresponds with my education level, and cultured, with a strong interest in many of the arts, along with active competition in sport (i’m a cyclist) to a high amateur level.

I am also a sociable person, not autistic (to my knowledge) and am well liked by friends of both genders.

Quick tip: listing not being autistic as a plus is really not going to help or win you many friends. People all over the autism spectrum have relationships which run the gamut, from friends-with-benefits arrangements to long and happy marriages.

Despite all of this, I have only ever had one 5-month relationship when I was 16. And despite spending the last 11 years trying to find a girlfriend, I haven’t had a single one, and – to add insult to injury – I’m still a virgin! At 27.

Now, 4 years ago I started using online dating. I’ve found it very very difficult to get dates at a regular frequency, so in that time I’ve been on only 20 dates. Of those, I felt the vast majority went well – I do have social skills after all – and I expressed interest in a second date for 17 or 18 of the women…

Right, here’s the first thing that leaps out at me: out of 20 dates, you’ve wanted to have a second date with 90% of them. That… is a really high number. And while it’s certainly possible that you’re so discerning that you’ve only ever gone out with people who were exactly what you’re looking for… this feels like a Someone Anyone Everyone issue.

One of the issues with online dating is that it’s impossible to successfully gauge compatibility without meeting in person. You can line up amazingly well on paper. You can have great, flirty conversations via text and instant messages or even Snapchat. But attraction and compatibility are physical components, too, and they are impossible to determine until you meet in person. There are a multitude of signals and signs that dictate who we are and aren’t attracted to – many of which we aren’t consciously aware of. When we see people in person, we process those signs and signals so quickly that we don’t realize that we’ve gone through a checklist. We just know “Yes, I’m attracted to that person” or “No, I’m not”.

This is why there are a lot of false positives in online dating. You may get along great from the other side of a monitor, but once you’re sitting in front of one another… well… now you’re just struggling to get through the date in the first place.

Which is why I suspect that part of the problem you’re having here is that you have a hole marked “Girlfriend” that you’re trying to fill and are less concerned about who fills it. When you want to have a second date with literally every woman you’ve been on a date with, I’m left thinking that you’ve set the bar for a second date so low that you could trip over it.

Also, which is it? 17 or 18 women?

…but all of them have rejected me with words along the lines of “it was lovely to meet you but I’m not sure I felt enough of a connection for a second date”. Assuming they respond to me at all. All of this despite evidence that they were interested in me, flowing conversation punctuated by laughter and even occasional arm touches etc.

I hate to be the one to say it but… clearly they weren’t that interested. Otherwise you’d be getting a second date.

I have confided in my best female friend, who’s in a relationship. She can’t believe I’m still single. When I expressed the amount I get rejected, she was taken aback, and said “Women are silly – and that’s coming from a feminist”.


Before I continue, let me emphasise that I have given none of the below views, or expressed any kind of negativity, on any of my dates. They have all been positive and upbeat.

Sorry, I’m going to call bullshit on this one. I hear this a lot from people who believe that they’re the kings of compartmentalization, who believe that they have mastered the poker face and have so squeezed their negative attitude down that nobody ever sees it. And every single time, it’s not true. A literal sociopath manages to do this. An amazing actor can pull this off for a little while. But Johnny Average? Nah, my dude. Your attitude literally bleeds into everything you do, in ways that you don’t think about. It affects how you talk to people, the way you perceive the world and how you interact with it. You may not say the words “women have it so easy in dating”, but from the way you talk to the subjects you talk about, from the way you behave to the way you pursue matches… these all tell the world exactly how you feel. And people will pick up on that and they will respond to it.

But here’s the thing. I’m invisible to women.

You’re not invisible, man. I get that you feel that way, and you’re certainly not alone in that feeling. But the issue isn’t that you’re invisible here, it’s that women aren’t attracted to you. And like Binary Sunset, this is a theme that’s going to be recurring throughout your letter.

This whole Harvey Weinstein thing has, rightly, exposed a gender inequality in which women frequently feel sexually endangered. As a man, I realise my privilege in being able to confidently walk alone after a night out, and meet strangers without feeling threatened.

OK someone call Sir Mix-A-Lott because I hear a big “But” coming…

But the way I see it…

THERE IT IS!

…this inequality is a double edged sword…

There is literally nothing good that’s going to come of this.

… with a corresponding problem for men that manifests itself differently – less of the frequent and acute annoyance, danger and fear that faces women, but the following (not even an exhaustive list):

Alright my dude, you wanted to know about how to address this negative mindset. Here it comes, because this list is just… well, with a lot of these, you’re so off that you don’t even manage to be wrong. So with that in mind, let’s tear this apart.

– A chronic, never-ending state of being ignored by women in social settings;
– Being effectively invisible to every woman you see in public;

So I’m going to take these two together because either you’re repeating yourself or you’re conflating things in ways that only make sense to you. If by “being ignored by women”, you mean that women aren’t approaching you for dates, then we’ve found your first problem. What you’re describing as “being ignored” is “women going about their daily lives”, which, remarkably, doesn’t revolve around you or your boner.

If you mean “women don’t make the first move,” then you’re missing a critical factor: a lot of guys react badly to women who flaunt or invert gender roles. When women make the first move on the wrong guy, one of two things happens. One: the guy freaks out and reacts angrily or violently – it’s a trap, she’s a sex-worker looking for a client, whatever. Two: he vastly overestimates her interest; she says “Hey, my name is…” and he hears “TAKE ME IN A MANLY FASHION IN THE BATHROOM, YOU STALLION YOU”.

You may not be that guy… but she has no idea whether you are or not. And the consequences of being wrong are really goddamn high.

And this is without getting into the fact that there are loads of times when women just aren’t interested in meeting people.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– Repressed sexuality as to not overstep boundaries;

So… did you actually read this after you wrote it? Because you literally just said that male sexuality is all rape-y. That… is not a good look on you dude. It’s also complete and utter toxic bullshit. Respecting somebody’s boundaries or actively getting consent isn’t “repressing” anything.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– One or two matches – if that – from every 100 right swipes on Tinder

Welcome to Tinder, dude. Online dating is a numbers game. Fine tune your Tinder profile, get better photos and recognize that you’re going to be shotgunning swipes because you’ve got next to no information aside from a photo to go on. If you want to streamline things, you can pay to see who’s already swiped right on you, but at the end of the day, the you’re going to just have to make the best profile you can and wait.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– Writing a nice, funny and intelligent online dating message only to have it ignored;

It may not have been nice, funny and intelligent enough. Or it just may not have been interesting to them. Or it may have gotten lost in the churn, because women get an absurd number of messages that range from “‘sup” to “can I fuck them titties”. AS THE OPENER.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– Developing a nice exchange of messages but never hearing from her again when you suggest going for a drink;

This just means that someone wasn’t interested in meeting you for a drink. Sorry.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– On the rare occasions that I do get a date, and I feel I make a good impression, I’m rejected after the first hurdle.

You may feel that you made a good impression… that doesn’t mean that your date agreed. Or it may mean that you did make a good first impression, but they just weren’t attracted to you, sexually or physically.

Also: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– The instant gratification culture, a lack of recognition that it takes some time to get to know someone, and develop chemistry, and that men need more than one date to achieve this.
– For me, It is not reasonable expect chemistry after speaking to a stranger for 2 hours, and 3 or 4 dates are required to see if there is any compatibility. But no second date for me.

Remember what I said about your having a Somebody, Anybody, Everybody problem? This is an example of what I’m saying. If you have chemistry with literally everyone you meet, then your biggest issue isn’t instant gratification culture, it’s that you’re sending off the “I want anyone” vibe, which is going to be a turn-off to just about every woman you meet. Women, on average, don’t like feeling like they’re interchangeable, and a guy who’s giving them the feeling that he just wants someone to date is doing exactly that.

The other thing to keep in mind is what I said earlier: because of the nature of online dating, you’re going to get false positives – people who, if you had seen in person first, you wouldn’t have engaged with. A lot of times, when you (general you, not you, SCR) go on that first date with someone from OKCupid or Tinder, you’re going to realize you wouldn’t have asked them out in the first place if it hadn’t been on a dating site. So that first date is, literally, a case of seeing whether you and your date have any compatibility at all.

This is why it’s a good idea to make your first date a pre-date date – basically, meeting for fifteen or twenty minutes for coffee to establish whether or not it’s worth going on a full date, where you’ll be spending more than $5 and the length of an average episode of The Good Place.

And while, yes, we are dealing with the consequences of the paradox of choice when it comes to dating, that’s something that affects men and women. Which means – say it with me now: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

– To make matters worse, I’m now the only single person I know. As of last year, my one remaining single friend found a girlfriend and they’re now engaged. My one girlfriend when I was 16 is now happily married. There was also a girl i was infatuated with a few years ago – she’s married now as well. Just me forever alone, and nothing I can do about it.

It sucks that your ex is married. It sucks that you’re lonely. But you’re creating a narrative of helplessness that simply isn’t true and insisting that there’s nothing you can do. You have, for all intents and purposes, given up, based on bullshit.

And, once again: this isn’t an example of female privilege.

All this talk of female oppression and male privilege, but nothing about the female privilege…

that allows women to dictate every stage of the relationship: the second date, the pace of the relationship, initial sexual contact, and marriage,

Here, finally, we get to the core of the problem, and the common denominator in literally everything you just complained about. You’re complaining that women get to reject you if they’re not attracted to you.

And… well…

First of all: women don’t get to dictate every stage of the relationship because you do too. You’ve dictated the terms to every woman you swiped left on, every woman you didn’t message and, for that matter, every gay or bi man you didn’t ask out. You dictated the terms of the relationship with the two – or three – women you didn’t want a second date from. You weren’t required to see them again; you didn’t dig them and that was the end of that. If you were to get a second date with someone and realize that you weren’t actually into them and decide not to see them again, then you would be dictating terms there, too. If you decided you didn’t want to sleep with them or get married to them… well, hey, guess what you’re doing?

Second of all: women go through this too. You can take all of five seconds to read through Buzzfeed listicles about women’s dating woes to realize that they’re dealing with the same bullshit you are. Or the mountain of articles for women about how to catch a man and keep him. Or, for that matter, listen to the women on this site who’ve shared their own stories of the troubles they’ve had with dating.

All that’s happened thus far is that women haven’t been attracted to you and you’re upset about it. Which I get. It’s a horrible feeling. But that doesn’t mean that “women get to set the terms” and are cruelly excluding you for bullshit reasons, it means that they don’t have to date someone they don’t like and neither do you.

That’s not “female privilege”, that’s just life.

But the fact that you frame it as a privilege to women is, hands-down, the number one reason you’re not getting second dates.

and to top it all off, even the majority of divorces are initiated by women.

A) This is irrelevant to the issue at hand

B) The reason why women initiate divorces is because traditionally, marriage is a bad deal for women. The reasons why women are unhappy in marriages tends to come down to controlling husbands and shitty division of labor, based around outdated gendered expectations.

While sexual harassment and rape are unquestionably terrible,

I’m begging you stop right there. Do not finish this statement. 

the other side of the coin is terrible as well. 

It’s not all sunshine and rainbows for men, as a lot of people seem to think.

Dude, you literally just equated rape and murder to being as bad as being turned down for a date…

I wish women would realise that, because it’s driving me to suicide. 

Hey funny thing? They do. Women have been at the forefront of dealing with issues and gendered expectations regarding sex, sexuality and even toxic masculinity. But that doesn’t mean that you’re owed a date, a conversation or even a smile.

It’s unfortunately now such a cyclical thought process that I am increasingly unhappy, and it’s perpetual. The more I ruminate, the worse it gets. And the more it alienates me from the female population.
So, where have I been going wrong all this time, and any advice on what I can do to sort it out? Something, somewhere, needs to change.

Thanks for any help!

Sexual Claude Raines

You just answered your own question, SCR. Your beliefs and attitudes surrounding women and dating are alienating you from them. As I said: I can guaran-damn-tee you that you’re not hiding this from your dates. It’s oozing out of your every pore. It’s coloring literally everything you do, including how you see the world.

And if you want to start having the sort of romantic success that you long for, you have to be the one to break this cycle. I can give you advice on fine-tuning your dating profile or work up a plan of attack for getting more dates, but without a solid mental and emotional foundation, none of it is going to help. So, what I strongly suggest is that you start by learning how to bust out of that mental cycle and the best place to start is by talking to a counselor or therapist. They’re going to be the best option for untangling these issues and developing exercises to help you snap out of this recurring mindset. If you’re having a hard time finding a mental health professional in your area, the NHS referral page in the UK or Mental Health America can be a great resource to finding a referral or assistance that you can afford.

Trust me: I’ve been there, and I’ve had the same bullshit ideas about how relationships worked. And when I let the idea that women dictated relationships control my outlook… well, that’s no small part of how I ended up in a toxic and abusive relationship for years. I had given up my locus of control and stayed in a relationship I should have ditched immediately.

I don’t want the same thing to happen to you SCR.

It’s time to break this cycle. Get the help you need and you’ll be amazed at how much happier and more successful you’ll be.

Good luck.

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